diff --git a/CHANGELOG.md b/CHANGELOG.md
index b0a738c..fa7fb68 100644
--- a/CHANGELOG.md
+++ b/CHANGELOG.md
@@ -3,9 +3,9 @@
 * Record.lenient property added similar to other common/standard _octodns data
 * Processor.process_source_and_target_zones added to support modifying both the
   desired and/or existing zones just prior to computing changes.
+* Fix bug with Record.copy when values is an empty list []
 * Fix an issue in MetaProcessor/Manager.include_meta where include_provider
   wasn't correctly taking effect
-* Fix bug with Record.copy when values is an empty list []
 
 ## v1.3.0 - 2023-11-14 - New and improved processors
 
diff --git a/README.md b/README.md
index 4c5cac0..f69f17c 100644
--- a/README.md
+++ b/README.md
@@ -313,8 +313,8 @@ Similar to providers, but can only serve to populate records into a zone, cannot
 | Source | Record Support | Dynamic | Notes |
 |--|--|--|--|
 | [EnvVarSource](/octodns/source/envvar.py) | TXT | No | read-only environment variable injection |
-| [AxfrSource](/octodns/source/axfr.py) | A, AAAA, CAA, CNAME, LOC, MX, NS, PTR, SPF, SRV, TXT | No | read-only |
-| [ZoneFileSource](/octodns/source/axfr.py) | A, AAAA, CAA, CNAME, MX, NS, PTR, SPF, SRV, TXT | No | read-only |
+| [AxfrSource](https://github.com/octodns/octodns-bind/) | A, AAAA, CAA, CNAME, LOC, MX, NS, PTR, SPF, SRV, TXT | No | read-only |
+| [ZoneFileSource](https://github.com/octodns/octodns-bind/) | A, AAAA, CAA, CNAME, MX, NS, PTR, SPF, SRV, TXT | No | read-only |
 | [TinyDnsFileSource](/octodns/source/tinydns.py) | A, CNAME, MX, NS, PTR | No | read-only |
 
 ### Notes
diff --git a/octodns/record/base.py b/octodns/record/base.py
index d203cea..443e7ba 100644
--- a/octodns/record/base.py
+++ b/octodns/record/base.py
@@ -309,16 +309,16 @@ class ValuesMixin(object):
 
     def _data(self):
         ret = super()._data()
-        if len(self.values) > 1:
-            values = [getattr(v, 'data', v) for v in self.values if v]
-            if len(values) > 1:
-                ret['values'] = values
-            elif len(values) == 1:
-                ret['value'] = values[0]
-        elif len(self.values) == 1:
+        if len(self.values) == 1:
             v = self.values[0]
             if v:
                 ret['value'] = getattr(v, 'data', v)
+        else:
+            values = [getattr(v, 'data', v) for v in self.values if v]
+            if len(values) == 1:
+                ret['value'] = values[0]
+            else:
+                ret['values'] = values
 
         return ret
 
@@ -374,8 +374,7 @@ class ValueMixin(object):
 
     def _data(self):
         ret = super()._data()
-        if self.value:
-            ret['value'] = getattr(self.value, 'data', self.value)
+        ret['value'] = getattr(self.value, 'data', self.value)
         return ret
 
     @property
diff --git a/pyproject.toml b/pyproject.toml
index 74c48d7..f54dbb0 100644
--- a/pyproject.toml
+++ b/pyproject.toml
@@ -13,4 +13,4 @@ filterwarnings = [
     'error',
     'ignore:.*DEPRECATED.*2.0',
 ]
-pythonpath = "."
\ No newline at end of file
+pythonpath = "."
diff --git a/tests/test_octodns_record.py b/tests/test_octodns_record.py
index 0fe3d57..c85341f 100644
--- a/tests/test_octodns_record.py
+++ b/tests/test_octodns_record.py
@@ -197,19 +197,19 @@ class TestRecord(TestCase):
         )
 
     def test_values_mixin_data(self):
-        # no values, no value or values in data
+        # empty values -> empty values in data
         a = ARecord(self.zone, '', {'type': 'A', 'ttl': 600, 'values': []})
-        self.assertNotIn('values', a.data)
+        self.assertEqual([], a.data['values'])
 
         # empty value, no value or values in data
         b = ARecord(self.zone, '', {'type': 'A', 'ttl': 600, 'values': ['']})
         self.assertNotIn('value', b.data)
 
-        # empty/None values, no value or values in data
+        # empty/None values -> empty values in data
         c = ARecord(
             self.zone, '', {'type': 'A', 'ttl': 600, 'values': ['', None]}
         )
-        self.assertNotIn('values', c.data)
+        self.assertEqual([], a.data['values'])
 
         # empty/None values and valid, value in data
         c = ARecord(
@@ -225,13 +225,13 @@ class TestRecord(TestCase):
         a = AliasRecord(
             self.zone, '', {'type': 'ALIAS', 'ttl': 600, 'value': None}
         )
-        self.assertNotIn('value', a.data)
+        self.assertIsNone(a.data['value'])
 
         # unspecified value, no value in data
         a = AliasRecord(
             self.zone, '', {'type': 'ALIAS', 'ttl': 600, 'value': ''}
         )
-        self.assertNotIn('value', a.data)
+        self.assertIsNone(a.data['value'])
 
     def test_record_new(self):
         txt = Record.new(
@@ -251,6 +251,20 @@ class TestRecord(TestCase):
             Record.new(self.zone, 'unknown', {'type': 'XXX'})
         self.assertTrue('Unknown record type' in str(ctx.exception))
 
+    def test_record_new_with_values_and_value(self):
+        a = Record.new(
+            self.zone,
+            'a',
+            {
+                'ttl': 44,
+                'type': 'A',
+                'value': '1.2.3.4',
+                'values': ['2.3.4.5', '3.4.5.6'],
+            },
+        )
+        # values is preferred over value when both exist
+        self.assertEqual(['2.3.4.5', '3.4.5.6'], a.values)
+
     def test_record_copy(self):
         a = Record.new(
             self.zone, 'a', {'ttl': 44, 'type': 'A', 'value': '1.2.3.4'}
@@ -349,6 +363,16 @@ class TestRecord(TestCase):
         dup = txt.copy()
         self.assertEqual(txt.values, dup.values)
 
+        cname = Record.new(
+            self.zone,
+            'cname',
+            {'ttl': 45, 'type': 'CNAME', 'value': ''},
+            lenient=True,
+        )
+
+        dup = cname.copy()
+        self.assertEqual(cname.value, dup.value)
+
     def test_change(self):
         existing = Record.new(
             self.zone, 'txt', {'ttl': 44, 'type': 'TXT', 'value': 'some text'}